That is the way I am putting the two together. It doesnt talk about something so modern and specific as exposure therapy. I went in due to paranoia and was paranoid when I came out. I really wish to divine encounter with God Almighty. Gods got this, even when we feel like we dont. he just wanted them to get along and work together. Trust in Him, not in self. If all will be saved, then the scary verses must not be true. I was still under the universal salvation spell when I saw a website of a man claiming to have keys to the Scriptures. I wonder to myself who I'd be without these terrible thoughts. The universe around me.. and i often think i already in fact died and im in hell because hell is a place of confusion just as i experience everything. I said the sinners prayer, was taught about the church, and was baptized a year later. But I want to come back/closer to God, but there are some questions and doubts I have. Called upon Jesus many years ago. Is there a difference if we start to say the blasphemous thought out loud and then catch ourselves? These kinds of blasphemous thoughts are different from the first two. If you are having struggles, need support in a particular area that you aren't finding a specific recovery area forum, you may find the General Struggles forum a great place to post. I keep having random thoughts and it scares the living day lights out of me.I'm just a teen trying to have it easy, but yeah, ever since i knew about the unpardonable sin. i forgot about this for many years. The General Mental Health Forum is now a Read Only Forum. If you would like to change your settings or withdraw consent at any time, the link to do so is in our privacy policy accessible from our home page.. Im a devil worshipper? God does all this for us in Christ. Hi Jamie. I feel like I thought to many bad things. Hi Amy, Please dont feel bad about telling your parents. This is used to present users with ads that are relevant to them according to the user profile. But after going through a series of severe difficulties, I finally cracked. Also try agreeing with the thought in sarcasm and mocking it. Also the more you resist the thoughts, the more they persist. Hi, I have had similar struggles and find this forum encouraging as I am not alone!!! but i pushed the bible away after reasoning with myself and God. There are people in our world who are blaspheming the Holy Spirit. I now just have to convince myself that it is satan doing this and not myself. Jaimie. I don't know if that has anything to do with it. Getting an onslaught of spiritual doubts that go against the grain of your faith community might be very disturbing to you. Jaimie. I don't know how I'm supposed to ignore these thoughts when saying something as simple as "Jesus is God and the Messiah" immediately causes these thoughts to pop up and I end up engaging with them anyway and I end up repeating stuff to convince myself that those blasphemies aren't true, which barely helps. Interestingly, they are also part of this category of willful, purposeful action so lets briefly take a look at them now. As for step two, I would like to point your attention to the words you are using. Hi, Destiny, I think its quite common for intrusive thoughts to involve questions of reality. We may wonder if the important elements of our faith are fake, if reality is fake, and basically everything that possible to question, we question. Would love to have you in our group! Hey Jaimie, recently, well actually today, my thoughts have become so horrible. Like even if my feelings are kinda lost, even if my motives are selfish/intellectual, even if my heart is hardened, even if I have willfully and deliberately sinned a LOT, backslidden, and etc? I mess up the words sometimes and then the sentences become things I dont mean. A life full of disappointment, tragedy, emotional imbalance, and confusion. It tells you that merely thinking such thoughts means you actually believe them. I am so glad I found this page. Yes, keep going! At one point, when he heard of the miracles of Jesus, King Herod believed for a moment that it might be John the Baptist risen from the dead (Matthew 14:1-3)! Remember that a just man falls seven times and rises up again, it is not our mistakes that define our relationship to God but rather His promises to us. Can I find healing from this or am I too far gone? Thank you for sharing your experience. I have become closer to God than ever before. I used to come back to God to seek reconciliation a lot. Know the thoughts aren't yours. But let me share a secret with you: religious OCD is a car that runs primarily on emotions. Now the son of an Israelite woman, whose fatherwasan Egyptian, went out among the children of Israel; and this Israelitewomansson and a man of Israel fought each other in the camp. I have struggled with blasphemous thoughts against the Spirit of Grace for most of my childhood. Many people have the idea that blasphemy is the act of using a curse word against God or resisting the Holy Spirit to some kind of vague point of no return.. But its the only way forward. The cookie is used to store the user consent for the cookies in the category "Performance". It started after a very big attack of the enemy and death of my Dad. If anyone helped him, he rewarded them. I don't want to go to hell for all eternity for blaspheming the Holy Spirit. Ignore the thoughts because you know that God knows they are not yours. They have cut themselves off from the one who can lead them to repentance. This fear is eating me up. We also use third-party cookies that help us analyze and understand how you use this website. Doubting is so much a part of OCD that it has been called the doubting disease. In fact, theres a book specifically about scrupulosity that is titled The Doubting Disease, but you might pick up more obsessions by reading through it and hearing about what other people obsess over. Yep read the whole article and it is very reliving after reading it. Hey Are these Articles in Spanish too? It may be that you need to patiently learn your Heavenly Father who loves you, and let go of the Angry God who wants to harm you. He is the One who bears long with us, constantly wooing our hearts to God even when we are lost and enamored with our sins. In this guide, we'll cover everything you ever wanted to know about these intrusive thoughts, such as: You are a devoted follower of God. and what worries me is because this thought was almost similar to that passage of the Pharisees and the unpardonable sin, Im in a similar boat I think I probably lost my salvation when I thought something on purpose to try to make it less scary. And He loves you through the fog of mental health. I have had trouble with sleeping, I had headaches, neckpains, panic attacks, knee pains, restlessness. Salvation and condemnation are the result of our long-term choices, choices we make day after day. Exactly what is being described by this expression, found in Mark 3:29 (par. I got desperate and then found this website, it again passed and I kinda forgot about it, but then last month it got realy bad again, I had doubts about the existence of God and started to blame him for everything that had gone wrong in my life, i was desperate for some relief and, obviously it didn't help. We want our FAITH to make decisions, not our FEELINGS, so we always want to give a bit of pushback to our compulsions so they dont call all the shots.). When the demoniac came, rushing upon Him at the beach, it was to frighten Him away. I skimmed the article and was appreciative of its content, as this is something I wrestle with daily. I very recently worked with a Hindu client who had severe blasphemous thoughts about her gods. Verbalizing your blasphemous thought can feel like a dangerous denial of your faith. God is not afraid of our ugly. This was not an act of ignorance, they knew exactly what they were doing. If thoughts have true power, why wouldnt murderers just think their enemies to death instead of going through the immense risk of planning and executing a crime? My thought pattern recently is not as dramatic as some. ButJesus kept silent. I still do sometimes. It was sort of like mine, but different. If you are just hanging out at a picnic table in the park and have a bee buzzing around your head, it simply means she is checking you out to see if you have any tasty pollen. For everyone, let's stay strong and committed, and remember that we're all in this together! And i've doubted the reason of my existance.. and i really, once again tell you, did not harm anyone. This might be confusing. The blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is committed when a person is so cold-hearted, that they don't see that what they're doing is wrong. I want to forget about it, my last masturbation can't be like this, I don't want to remember it and remember that my last one was this bad, that's a trauma. I know I still believe in God and I want a relationship with Him. Hiya thank god for the intercession through you in writing this article ,youve helped so many brothers and sisters in Christ including me ,praise be to his ,so many fears and doubts and anxiety has been calmed and stilled , however I still need advice on this ,I was at a church meeting ,I was really feeling the holy spirits presence within the meeting however when I asked the leader of the meeting to pray for Jesus to deliver me from intrusive unwanted thoughts and fear of blasphemy thoughts ,as the man started praying for me I had one of them thoughts thinking this is fake ,which has since made me feel worse ,is this blasphemy ? Thank you for your great work and for helping so many. 4. And everybody told me no bro nop no demon in you. I met a muslim person and always thought as long as people respect each others religions theres no problems. The key lies in remembering that thoughts have no power and God understands the origins of our thoughts better than we do. I want to walk in Gods love for me but this situation has just really been an ongoing issue . Don't dwell on your past and don't worry about your future. Followed it. It would be other thoughts like Gods not real or that I dont love/love God and that I'm lying to myself. Mo Higgs, Hi Jenn, I struggle with similar things too God loves you nonetheless! What we are saying is that we are humans and our knowledge is partial and prone to errors. Can you Blaspheme the Holy Spirit Mentally? I am very grateful to you for helping me even though we dont know each other personally. Advice? There are things our entire faith community might be missing,just like the Jews missed out on the Messiah when He came. All of your sins are forgiven and washed clean by the blood of Jesus. Its what happens when obsessive-compulsive disorder hijacks your spirituality. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:1 KJV. Was it really me? And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Thank you.. Hey Ken, I'll be praying for you. I know that I believe what the Bible says is true. I believe God is working in your life and was surely the One who kept you back from hurting yourself. I think I'm backslidden, and I think my heart is hardened. I never have had that before, and never was like this. Recognize that these negative feelings will not hurt you, even though they are very uncomfortable. Our difficulties can strengthen our faith and patience IF we allow it to do so. Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to use the old excuse "The devil made me do it" but I believe that he has power to try to cause us to go astray. Of course, I want to come back to God and get closer to God. But for some people, they can come with so much repetition and intensity that you might feel like you're going crazy. My biggest fear is that I would become more distant and hardened due to just giving up eventually. The intrusive thoughts of OCD are like that: the more you focus on them, the bigger and stickier they get. Yes, there are different methods ERP, Biblical imaging, direct mockery but above and beyond these methods we must remember that God is kindly and compassionately uniting with us in our efforts to get better. Again, don't force the belief, allow God to help you. The first route is to analyze passages that talk about blasphemy as ego-syntonic, chosen, willful behavior. If you didnt have those icky feelings of guilt, shame, distress, and anxiety, the thoughts wouldnt bother you at all. The Bible tells us that all we have to have is faith of a mustard seed (Matthew 17:20), not a watermelon seed which is bigger. Everything had spiraled from there. For the second question, i see myself as nothing compared to Him. Over the next weeks, as I passed through more challenging times, I continued voicing negative thoughts about God. Does the Bible Condemn Using Tarot Cards? It just keeps coming back and consuming your attention. I have no doubt that God is working in your life to bring about lasting joy and beauty. I have two questions: (1) Can a true believer, whose salvation is eternally secure in Christ, still be guilty of blasphemy? A friend prayed over me to drive out whatever spirit was attacking me. God loves you and will help you through this. Typically, these are people who have scrupulosity, also known asreligious OCD. Then I thought in my mind "Alright the Holy Spirit is God", but after I thought "Alright" I just felt something in my gut telling me that I was thinking something bad. All of our resources exist to guide you toward everlasting joy in Jesus Christ. Especially if youre wearing a colorful shirt or sweet perfume, you may get lots of bee attention but its typically out of curiosity, not antagonism. Not condemnation, and not a big lecture. I then became terrified about what I had wilfully done and have been living in torment and feeling condemned and far from God since and needless to say I have been tormented by repetitive blasphemous thoughts as well for years since. This cannot be possible from my point of view i reach this thought everyday that i shouldn't be creeated. Youve probably had genetic predispositions to obsessive compulsive behavior long before that episode, but this may have triggered a more intense development. "The blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is a willful, determined opposition to the present power of the Holy Spirit." One more text, Luke 12:10: "And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but the one who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven." Every man/woman in the Bible did, said, and/or have thought things displeased God. How can I be sure they arent from me? It's ok to say God, I believe but help my unbelief Mark 9:24. Beyond what Ive already written in this article, just know that youre not alone in this fear. Don't force the belief because that can cause you to fight the belief inwardly. As you walk with God, you're going to fall over and over again, but keep getting back up and walk with Him one day at a time. Its a mental health disorder that happens to create symptoms that mimic our spiritual lives. Thanks so much for this article Ive been experiencing this for some years now but reading your article today has given me a sense of relief.God bless you. For example, the little girl who is growing up in a severely abusive home feels endangered and powerless (like the person with OCD). He draws us; He gives us the spirit of repentance; He writes His law in our hearts so that we yearn to do what is right; He sanctifies us, washes us, cleanses us, guides us in righteousness. The feelings of joy, spiritual longing, or passion are Gods to give, not ours to manufacture. Sorry about that. I am much better now, GOD has been restoring my mind. 6:12-15) is an obvious indication that the Holy Spirit can communicate with us mentally and that we should not think about sinful thoughts about the Lord. Like it scares me that I feel numb or like I have a hardened heart. According to John 16:8-9 one of the primary works of the Holy Spirit is to convict the world of sin. Is doubting part of OCD? Mine attacks me when I am reading my Bible or when I am trying to pray or when I am listening to a a sermon or something like that. I cant believe this is real and this condition actually has a name. We must seek God (this is a CHOICE, not a feeling) and if/when He wants, He will reward us with good feelings. However, when Christ died on the cross, it was to adopt us all as sons and daughters again (see Romans 8). Since the beginning of the pandemic, God has isolated me and I was angry, lonely and desperate at first, but I now see it was to fix a lot of issues in my relationship with Him. Hello, good morning, I have blastsphemous thoughts. No I need to know whether Ive even recognised the holy Spirit, and if its not him then I can ignore more easily. They manipulated. Nothing will ever snatch us from our Father's hand. I'm not sure if I'd cry or feel deeply sad when asking for forgiveness. It can only be ok if youve first calibrated it against solid biblical truth and then decide whether you can trust your conscience. Just remember you can KNOW you have eternal life if you believe in Jesus, trust in Him and rest knowing that He has everything in His hands no matter what. This is a lifetime journey with the Lord, and Hes waaaaay more patient with you than you are with yourself! Assuredly, I say to you, all sins will be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they may utter;but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnationbecause theysaid, He has an unclean spirit.. I see Him as my therapist. 1 Corinthians 6 gives a list of sinful behaviors that will not be found in the kingdom of God, but notice how the Apostle Paul shifts the conversation at the end to show how forgiveness works. Please pray for me. So I guess my plan may be: 1. what must i do? Today, aspects of Gods closeness have almost been overemphasized to the point of erasing the Creator-creature distinction. God will continue to work on your behalf! The fear was debilitating and it was the main reason I fell into a depression. These are common themes in religious OCD. Magical thinking connects a cause and effect that are completely unrelated. I mean, I can see how what youre saying is true, but it still gives me a lot of anxiety!, And what does that anxiety make you want to do?, I feel the need to blow air out of my mouth to expel the bad thought, and verbalize that Chemosh is Lord., So these are your compulsions, right? One part I that really resonated with me was about the bees and being still. Im so glad to hear that youve improved so much in recent days. Why do I have these thoughts as a true believer? Performance cookies are used to understand and analyze the key performance indexes of the website which helps in delivering a better user experience for the visitors. I definitely stumbled once again. God never promised to remove the things that bother us but He said He will prepare a banqueting table for us while our evil enemies (like intrusive thoughts) glower and lurk in the dark forest nearby. Secondly, let me respond to your concern about not having the right feelings. when i have a bad thought i deal with god opposite of thought . I have been having issues with blasphemous thoughts for many many years. If you go to Jesus , He will NEVER reject you! People with OCD seem to have a predisposition to these kinds of repetitive, anxious thought cycles. Thank you for your help I appreciate it very much. Many of us have walked in your shoes. Hey Guys! Intrusive thoughts (including the blasphemous kind) have four main characteristics. The repetitive nature of intrusive thoughts mean theyll keep coming back again and again. For me: The more I commit my self to our Lord Jesus Christ the more the enemy tries to dissuade me. It's not easy living with these thoughts and the fear of eternal damnation that comes as a result of them however I thank you all for the reassurement. I recognize the thought is there in my head, but Im not going to engage with it, no matter how scary it is. I think having people in my life who relate to this torture is in of itself helpful. On the topic of verbalizing these bad thoughts, its something I discuss in a video about religious intrusive thoughts. I've been seeking the Lord about the repetitive thought I have that says (four letter word) the Holy Spirit. People arent inspiredthe BIBLE is inspired. I hate this so much and feel I need to fix this to be able to move forward in my life. Overt, verbal, and conscious repudiation of the fact that God is at work in Jesus Christ accomplishing his designs through the power of the Holy Spirit. She lost the child in a car crash and shrugged it off the next day, giggling on the phone with her pastor back here. I want freedom, healing, peace, and joy. What do I do!! Hi Jaimie, Is it possible for you to talk with me. Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? But also kept wondering how I got born again if I had committed this sin. I have gotten into a habit of over riding all the sounds I hear. Lack of interest in everything. Thought-action fusion is very common for OCD sufferers. i cursed a good christian friend of mine who called me brother. Something I fear and tremble over to not commit. God understands the thoughts that pass through our minds when we are struggling with a mental health disorder. But then I almost accidentally said in my mind the Chemosh is Lord, (its like those intrusive thoughts are a back voice and my thoughts are a front voice) and that was in my front voice! Please help, Ocd attacks when I read my Bible (possible trigger warning ), What is the Reformed understanding about experience of the Holy Spirit. Thou shall always keep your mind, soul, and heart full of blasphemous thoughts against god, jesus christ, holy spirit. But then I realized when I had that thought, I was breathing heavily and anticipating it. I want to know that God is with me. At all. God bless you all and see you in heaven! This constitutes the U in our acronym RUMP. Turn stone into bread 2. Since intrusive thoughts are ego-dystonic, they dont have the same inherent meaning that purposeful thoughts do. All we desire is to have life in abundance and in full as Christ promised us. I used to struggle with these thoughts, too. A healthy ability to distinguish between His role as king and our role as subjects will protect us from blasphemy. I think theres different fazes to this . The Facebook page is called "Christianity and Anxiety Disorders - Let's Talk." BUT God is bigger so I will continue to speak life . I hold to this truth, but the other thoughts are so powerful. Im so glad you found it useful, but so sorry to hear of the continual struggle. And believe me, God sees your heart and knows it better than you know yourself. God is the author and finisher of your faith Hebrews 12:2-4. I know WELL that God knows my thoughts, but have strong feelings that he hates me. None of your thoughts were chosen. My pastors talked about hell, church rules, and sin. What does this look like for something intangible like blasphemous thoughts? And, as you can expect, we get a lot right but we are limited by whats provided by the buffet of life. But these doubts make me feel bad, it's terrifying. Havent you seen my tail? I have religious OCD (Scrupulosity) I have obsessions concerning: my salvation and Hell. Pastor John gets to the heart and offers practical suggestions for growing in evangelism. Ive been battling this for about a year .. Hi, Lu-Andro! I have this phrase that goes on in my mind in nicer words screw the Lord. Also read some commentaries, etc. Cheers. I know that sounds kind of weird, but what that tells me is that God sees something in me and he trusts me to get through this. Yes, you may feel that you sometimes agree to these thoughts, but if you keep coming back, thats all that counts.
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